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Michael Ginsburg's avatar

I think this demonstrates the problematic nature of getting your answers from AI, especially if you don't know what training data was used to create it and even more importantly, what is the agenda of the people who created it.

As a Jewish person (albeit not practicing the religion) and a native Hebrew speaker, I can tell you that the answers you got from the AI are either inaccurate or outright false:

1. Observant Jews will never (ever!) utter the explicit name of the Jewish god. Not because it is a big secret but rather because it is strictly forbidden in the most fundamental way possible in the literal anchor text of the entire Jewish religious dogma, being the 10 commandments. The third commandment states: "You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.” It is pretty clear cut and not really open to interpretation. An observant Jew will instead say either "My lords" (in the PLURAL which is interesting and a major rabbit hole in itself or “Adonai” in Hebrew) or literally "the name" ("Ha Shem" in Hebrew).

2. If one is to go against the third commandment (unthinkable for an observant Jew) and actually pronounce the explicit name as it is written in Hebrew, the correct pronunciation will be "Yehovah" which is how the name of the Christian denomination "Jehovah's Witnesses" came about.

Happy to answer any further questions you may have to the best of my ability.

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Ivan M. Paton's avatar

Thanks for that Michael Ginsburg

I think that what you commented on is consistent with what the AI rabbi was communicating, and it actually noted the use of the words as you expressed, along with the use of Yehovah.

But what was interesting is that it admitted in the end that the correct and fullest pronunciation is as it wrote out with 4 syllables following the ‘vowels of Adonai.’ None of this is to suggest it breaks the 3rd commandment either.

You are right that all of the plural forms create questions that beg to be answered, and I think the truth of the answers is already in both the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament, and that is YHWH was a part of a divine council of ‘gods’ and he was alloted the Israelite peoples. So he is the God of the Jews, and not of the Gentiles, which Paul adopted him to for Christianity. Interesting stuff and it is all relevant to what is happening in the world today.

As a native Hebrew speaker you might be able to comment on this. In my discussion with AI today and looking at different Hebrew words and they way they are spelled I hit on these observations, which AI confirmed, but I’d like your take on it.

That all consonant sounds are in Hebrew are said with a vowel sound

There are no consonant clusters in Hebrew words, like the 2 initial sounds in the word STOP which reads as (s-top) - so the (s-t-) are a consonant cluster. Or the final consonant cluster in the word APPLES that reads as (ap-p-l-z_ where the (-p-p-l-z) is a final consonant cluster with 4 consonant sounds.

In the spelling the vowel letters can be written as letters, or above and below the letters.

You have one functional letter that is silent and is used to allow vowels to be written with it for syllables with vowel sounds only.

The words read syllable by syllable - with a syllable being defined as a vowel sound with or without consonant sounds.

The reason I picked up on this is that I am fluent in Thai, and spent several years writing my first book in Thai about English pronunciation and I developed a very deep knowledge of the sound systems of both languages.

And when I got a grasp of the Hebrew system it leapt out at me because the description I just gave you of those 5 points matches the Thai language point for point, and I would say also matches Chinese - with one point not included - in the Thai and Chinese languages when we shift the pitch of voice on a vowel sound you not only shift the pronunciation, but the spellings and meanings change - this is the heart of what it means to be a tonal language.

What do you think of those 5 points?

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Tony Ryan's avatar

I have no idea how to respond to this. If the information was provided by an Ashkenazim, then I would want to see a DNA test to prove to me he was a Semite. The chances are 98% he is not. If the source is one of the following: Sephardi, Misrahim, Italkim, Burkharim, Juhurim, Turkos, Romanyotim, Palestinians, and Beth Israel, I would take the declaration seriously. But then I would want to know if the source is a Zionist. If so, I know he is a pathological liar and would disregard anything he said.

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Emmanuel Goldstein's avatar

Hello, Michael, I see you were also ping-summoned here. :) Now, while I of course assume the sincerity of your observations, I'd be curious as to WHEN exactly the Jewish people specifically decided it is never acceptable to mention God's name. Did the Jews since the time of Abraham and Moses view it this way, or is it the product of cabalistic fifth column takeover of Talmudic Judaism in the Dark Ages? Note that the Kabbalists even censor God's name as "G-d" so that to the outside world the outer masses are led to believe that -- at least for those uninitiated catechumen -- they are not allowed to use God's name. Yet simultaneously the modern-day "Jewish" community in its Zionist and/or Zionist-enabling majority will ostensibly justify the existence of the Fourth Reich regime on a "divinely ordained" basis. Do you see the duplicity here of how the modern cabalistic "Jewish" system in its majority institutional norms and functional modus operandi still ends up taking God's name in vain? The only ones who actually appear to refrain from taking God's name in consistent full are Neturei Karta and maybe Satmar (though the latter are quite conspicuously Kabbalistic).

Note that the Third Commandment doesn't forbid using God's name entirely, only the taking of His name in VAIN. Is it wrong to do tremendous charitable good for the community and credit God by name as the one who uplifts us by His spirit and teaches us to live soberly, righteously, and with empathetic concern for those suffering around us? At least from what I can observe, by telling the observant seekers of God that "you cannot use His name at all," all this means in practical culminated reality is that only those who do not follow God drag His name in vain far more than His genuine followers do objectively compassionate and constructive wonders boldly in His name.

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Nefahotep's avatar

As always, Ivan this is a very thought provoking post.

Yiddish, spoken in Israel is a reconstruction of Hebrew; in this, they have run into the same problem that we have in Ancient Egyptian, no vowel signs. Yet Ancient Egyptian has some advantages in that, there are the Armarna Letters and Coptic (written in an adjusted Greek writing system) Unfortunately, Hebrew has none of that going for it; with exception in certain instances, where "very important names" or specific items in the language were a special focus for preservation.

On the Language itself; (Hebrew)

It would be interesting to see what the difference is between the language of the Habiru (Hebrew) the Turkic language of the Khazars; and the Yiddish language of the Ashkenazi descendants that now control Israel.

What they speak in Israel today, is definitely NOT original ancient Hebrew; Yiddish is a mix of Hebrew, Slavonic and other languages, using a Hebrew script. The German words and structure in Yiddish originate from the east of Germany, which makes sense. In Yiddish, some of the silent characters in Hebrew writing become used as vowels. This is something quite relevant you bring up in your post, making it very credible.

Overall, this is most likely a Language that Khazarians would be familiar with, even though it is not Turkic.

***Yiddish means literally “Jewish” in the language itself.

Yiddish and Yiddishkeit:

https://yiddish-culture.com/yiddish-civilisation_en/yiddish-and-yiddishkite_en/

In English and Russian this word is also situationally used in the same sense. In the original language – Yiddish – it is simply a derivation of the word “Jew”. However, when used in other languages, it expresses the organic connection between Yiddish and Yiddishkeit, which literally catches the eye.

Some linguistic details can hide in plain sight to us all.

Many centuries ago, “Yiddish” is what Jews called the language, although for hundreds of years it was called a variety of other names, among them, Taytsh, Yidish-taytsh, Loshn-ashkenaz, and Zhargon, all of which have been outmoded for at least 100 years.

Esau Today on the History of t he term "Jew:"

https://esau.today/origin-of-the-word-jew/

“Up to the seventeenth century this word was spelled in Middle English in various ways: “Gyu,” “Giu,” “Gyw,” “Iu,” “luu,” “Iuw,” “Ieu,” “Ieuu,” “Ieuz,” “Iwe,” “Iow,” “Iewe,” “Ieue,” “lue” (“Ive”), “Iew,” “Jew.”

"All these forms were derived from the Old French “Giu,” which was earlier written “Juieu,” derived from the Latin accusative “Judæum,” with the elision of the letter “d.” The Latin form “Judæus” or (Iudaeuswas) derived from the Greek ‘Iουδαĩοσ; (Ioudaios) and this in turn from the Aramaic , corresponding to the Hebrew a gentilic adjective from the proper name “Judah,” or Yehudi; seemingly never applied to members of the tribe, however, but to members of the nationality inhabiting the south of Palestine (Jer. xliii. 9).” –Jewish Encyclopedia

So, it was "Giu" = "Gew"= "Yew" = "Ew" = Jew. Ancient Semitic languages like Hebrew and Egyptian didn't have the "J" sound, it was a "Y." Anytime you see them spelled with a “J” say it with a “Y” then it is closer to accuracy.

There are many sources that state the name Jew is more recent. The original Judean Culture was probably not anything like we could imagine it today.

Additionally — Jew (n.)

late 12c., Giw, Jeu, “a Jew (ancient or modern), one of the Jewish race or religion,” from Anglo-French iuw, Old French giu (Modern French Juif), from Latin Iudaeum (nominative Iudaeus), from Greek Ioudaios, from Aramaic (Semitic) jehudhai (Hebrew: y’hudi) “a Jew,” from Y’hudah “Judah,” literally “celebrated,” name of Jacob’s fourth son and of the tribe descended from him.

Your subtitle: "YHWH is read as “Yah-Hoh-Wah-Hee.”" -- This is extremely likely based on what I can see in the linguistic application. Also you mentioned the first letter: "Yod"::

From your post: "English letter Y: Hebrew letter: Yod (י): The first letter, "Yod," is pronounced as a "Y" sound. It is the smallest letter in the Hebrew alphabet."

----- What is striking about this is the possibility of the term "God" used in English having an origin from the term "Yod," an expression of the first letter in the name commonly seen as Yahweh.

The Habiru used iconography from the Egyptian pantheon referring to the God, Seth. There is said to have been an idol of Yahweh that was found in the 2nd temple, having the body of a man and the head of a donkey. Later in early Gnostic references, the figure for Yaldabaoth was pictured as a donkey headed crucified God.

**** Please see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaldabaoth

From the Wiki page:

"From at least 200 BCE onward, a tradition developed in the Graeco-Egyptian Ptolemaic Kingdom which identified Yahweh, the God of the Jews, with the Egyptian god Seth.[18] Diverging from previous zoologically multiplicitous depictions, Seth's appearance during the Hellenistic period onwards was depicted as resembling a man with a donkey's head."

Yah-Hoh-Wah-Hee when spoken, almost sounds like a Donkey, in many ancient languages there is a tendency to imitate the sound for something, then form a word to define it from the origin sound.

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Amaterasu Solar's avatar

Very VERY interesting!!! But not surprising!

Thank You for sharing this!

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mile7bar's avatar

The word/ name Yahweh is the idiotic invention of a mentally ill medieval monk, which, like all idiocies, has spread worldwide. You should write YHWH in future.

Three Biggest Historical LIES of JEWS debunked: Jews are NOT Semites but Hamites and Canaanites. They themselves are also Goyim. They are NOT descendants of the true Israel (And alledgedly allowed interest on money, Hebrew language, Star of David, etc. Based on the Tanakh/ OT & complemented by the NT/ Gospels; & Falsification and Misuse of the Holocaust) https://mile7bar.substack.com/p/three-biggest-jewish-lies-debunked

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Ivan M. Paton's avatar

Thanks for that. Actually since writing this article I have gotten into the habit of writing YHWH as you suggested because it's the only recorded way of referring to the OT/NT God. Thanks for the link too. Nothing is as they say it is - because the whole thing is an invention of the Roman Empire. There's hidden truths in the Bible but it's all in code. We were never meant to read it. It was written by the elites for the elites in the age of mass illiteracy.

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mile7bar's avatar

I am glad that you could understand/ adopt that and this. No one can understand anything, not even the simplest things, if God does not give him understanding.

John 3: 27 (This is the exact translation)

A man can receive* nothing, not even only one (thing), unless it is given to him FROM HEAVEN*.

(* Recognition/ Knowledge and afterwards the possible Salvation)

Matthew 23: 8 (Christ revealed/ commanded)

But you, be not you called Rabbi (Teacher, resp. Religion Teacher): for ONE is your TEACHER, but you ALL are brothers.

John 6: 44-45

No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him; 45 … ‘They will all be TAUGHT by God.’ Everyone who has HEARD and LEARNED from FATHER comes to me.

John 6: 65

No man can come to me, except it be given him from the Father.

PS: Keep this in mind: We are only the bringers of some messages, but we cannot teach anyone, because only about 1 per mile of people can understand that, and those are only the ones who God wants to let understand/ who God wants to teach.

Those who want to be your rabbis, gurus, priests, shepherds, imams, etc., are like your politicians and “scientists” who only want to bind you to themselves, and then exploit, misuse, mislead, etc. In this context, see:

Flat OR Round Earth & The True Value of Earthly Sciences (Origin and Evolution, Gravitation, Physics, Mathematics, Philosophy)? https://mile7bar.substack.com/p/flat-or-round-earth-and-the-true

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Sunface Jack's avatar

Thanks Ivan.

A very interesting discussion.

Of course I avoid AI as far as possible as it is a NWO creation to sow confusion and divide people. You know the tactic divide and conquer ( AI algorithm) finding its root in divide and rule strategy of the monarchists.

I am not a Jew, however if we believe in the bible then we all have some common blood. I have Jewish relatives. My Dad's Mom was a Christian who married a Jew. My Dad's sister converted and I do like the Jews who cared for me as a baby when my mom was very ill after birthing me. They have always been good to me and our family. I have worked for some too and they were always fair. The Jew in particular have been the scapegoat for many religions and for thousands of years IMO.

I go to a few sites very helpful in getting good information.

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/ and https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/ and https://www.hebrew4christians.com/About_HFC/about_hfc.html. I do have some others too.

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Ivan M. Paton's avatar

Hi Sunface Jack,

Yes AI is being divisive and full of misdirection and disinformation.

I don't believe in the Bible anymore. I was raised Roman Catholic.

But I have come to realize that the Roman Empire and their Jewish vassals created Christianity in order to use it to enslave people with a religious mind matrix. Did you know that the Jewish canon for the Old Testament was close in the 10th century? Masoretic text. That means the Old Testament came after the New Testament.

What does that tell us.

The worst part for me though was studying all the ancient texts, especially the oldest ones, the Sumerian texts, and realizing that ever single story in the Old Testment, repeated for the New, are found in the Sumerian texts, and numerous other texts.

They borrowed, redacted, and rewrote it all to create something that works for the Rome, the new Babylon, for the enslavement of all mankind to the Roman Emperor, today called a pope. Ah, i could go on. But enough.

All of the values and good parts that they claim are Christian are ancient and come from the Aryan peoples, especially the Avesta, which was the Aryan Bible, and the basis of Zoroastrianism, the ancient Persian religion that did not believe in god-emperor-kings - and in fact the Persians destroyed Babylon, but the mandate for Pontifex Maximus fled Babylon and made its way to Rome via Pergamum.

And the rest is history.

Meanwhile the Aryan religion spread worldwide and today the two main suriving paths are called Buddhism and HInduism - Yep, Buddha was a blue eyed Aryan. And the Vedic texts and Dharma were bought to India by. ancient Aryans.

These ancient Aryans were what I call the humanitarian faction (good) fighting against the anti-humanitarian faction (Evil - the Crown Monarchy Imperialism) - there was an ancient existential struggle for supremacy - the humanitarian Aryans lost to Evil.

All of the values we say are 'Christian' are not Christian at all. They are Aryan. Christianity hijacked them.

I have an interesting and challenging post coming up soon 'Decoding the Myth of Jesus Christ." It's an eye opener and illustrates that this religion was created to dominate mankind to the Babylonian god-emperor system - Pontifex Maximus.

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Sunface Jack's avatar

I'll watch out for it Ivan.

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Frances Leader's avatar

Didn't we chant, every day at school, "Our Father, which art in Heaven, hallowed be thy name!" Doesn't that mean very clearly that the name is never spoken because it is holy, revered or even unknown?

I am not inclined to believe that any human being, regardless of claimed religion, has experienced 'Heaven' and heard the name of any entity there actually spoken.

Call me a heretic as boldly as you may wish, but I would prefer to enjoy life and its gifts on this material plane in the certain knowledge that 'the universe is unfolding as it should'. Any spiritual entities beyond this realm will be sure to introduce themselves if necessary when the right moment comes.

Who is RabbiAI to interfere? Nought but a man-made machine, just like the man-made books which have been used to cruelly mind control humanity for far too long.

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Ivan M. Paton's avatar

Great point about the Lord's prayer. Paul and his mates did a good job on us all.

If being a heretic means I don't believe in the Abrahamic religions propaganda, call me a heretic too. Lol, the Rabbi AI wasn't 'interfering' - I was just investigating the name of their god. I saw a YT video some time back where a Jewish writer had tracked statements by rabbis going back 1,500 years and by linking them together determined that the rabbis when they reach a certain level get taught the name of 'God' by other senior rabbis, and by picking up on clues he had figured out the code, but I can't recall whether I kept any notes on it. There has to be a reason that they kept it all secret.

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Frances Leader's avatar

I meant interfering between me and whatever spiritual entities want to communicate or not with me! See? These crazy people and their pre-programmed machines have the nerve to assume a position between us - as if we can't or shouldn't have a relationship with whatever deity or energy or force exists. That is the kind of interference that they have perpetrated between natural people and the cosmos with their fakery and superiority. All religions have made this mistake. They have 'experts' set up to guide and instruct us, but it is none of their business! Each person, in reality, is free within their own soul to become aware of a higher power. It is a deeply private thing. Like sex. That sort of connection is true divinity and does not require a third party controlling the 'action'.

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Ivan M. Paton's avatar

Great points Frances. I like it a lot

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Good point!

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